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		<title>By: William Pitcock</title>
		<link>http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/you-get-what-you-paid-for-sometimes/#comment-276</link>
		<dc:creator>William Pitcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ted: yeah, we (RapidXen/SystemInPlace) only have HE at the moment. infact, in a few weeks, we&#039;re upgrading our core to 10GigE (right now, we have four gigabit handoffs).

We&#039;re probably going to add Telia once we get our own ASN and BGP going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ted: yeah, we (RapidXen/SystemInPlace) only have HE at the moment. infact, in a few weeks, we&#8217;re upgrading our core to 10GigE (right now, we have four gigabit handoffs).</p>
<p>We&#8217;re probably going to add Telia once we get our own ASN and BGP going.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/you-get-what-you-paid-for-sometimes/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.. I have rapidxen in chicago.

I just tracerouted to about a dozen or so ips
spread all over europe and you are looking at
about 110ms of latency, everything went
through HE.Net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.. I have rapidxen in chicago.</p>
<p>I just tracerouted to about a dozen or so ips<br />
spread all over europe and you are looking at<br />
about 110ms of latency, everything went<br />
through HE.Net</p>
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		<title>By: LowEndAdmin</title>
		<link>http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/you-get-what-you-paid-for-sometimes/#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>LowEndAdmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Webmister -- thank you for the comments. I too have a VPS with VPSLink (but a larger Link3 hosting other projects) and it has been rock solid for the last two years I have been with them. Yes it has been that long. I do personally prefer US West Coast providers because I&#039;m at the other side of the planet :)

Another good feature for a Seattle based VPS is its closeness to Amazon&#039;s data center, if you need to use the Amazon web services from inside your VPS.

I also agree about the credit card vs. PayPal and would like to use PayPal for online services whenever possible. It is not that the provider is dodgy and fraudulent -- sometimes you just cannot trust your credit card details being stored on a 3rd party database. Sites get hacked and your credit card detail is now in every mafia&#039;s pocket...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Webmister &#8212; thank you for the comments. I too have a VPS with VPSLink (but a larger Link3 hosting other projects) and it has been rock solid for the last two years I have been with them. Yes it has been that long. I do personally prefer US West Coast providers because I&#8217;m at the other side of the planet :)</p>
<p>Another good feature for a Seattle based VPS is its closeness to Amazon&#8217;s data center, if you need to use the Amazon web services from inside your VPS.</p>
<p>I also agree about the credit card vs. PayPal and would like to use PayPal for online services whenever possible. It is not that the provider is dodgy and fraudulent &#8212; sometimes you just cannot trust your credit card details being stored on a 3rd party database. Sites get hacked and your credit card detail is now in every mafia&#8217;s pocket&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Webmister</title>
		<link>http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/you-get-what-you-paid-for-sometimes/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>Webmister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to mention a few useful things,

1) VPSLink provides their own nameservers and have a pretty nifty interface to manage them.

2) I already knew their service (managed some VPS accounts from them) for a few months *prior* to jumping for a 24month prepay. It wasn&#039;t *just* the tempting price, never fall for those type of schemes, but rather the fact I already knew what I was paying for and how reliable things were so far.

3) VPSLink does offer both tty and ssh access from their account management area using some java applet. The tty is pretty useful for those times where one get&#039;s too carried away securing the VPS and locks himself out.. (already happened to me!)

Sidenote: Their IP range seams particularly prone to brute-force root password attacks.. Never do the mistake of leaving sshd on port 22 and/or having a short root password (if possible disable password login and opt for RSA keys).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to mention a few useful things,</p>
<p>1) VPSLink provides their own nameservers and have a pretty nifty interface to manage them.</p>
<p>2) I already knew their service (managed some VPS accounts from them) for a few months *prior* to jumping for a 24month prepay. It wasn&#8217;t *just* the tempting price, never fall for those type of schemes, but rather the fact I already knew what I was paying for and how reliable things were so far.</p>
<p>3) VPSLink does offer both tty and ssh access from their account management area using some java applet. The tty is pretty useful for those times where one get&#8217;s too carried away securing the VPS and locks himself out.. (already happened to me!)</p>
<p>Sidenote: Their IP range seams particularly prone to brute-force root password attacks.. Never do the mistake of leaving sshd on port 22 and/or having a short root password (if possible disable password login and opt for RSA keys).</p>
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		<title>By: Webmister</title>
		<link>http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/you-get-what-you-paid-for-sometimes/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>Webmister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your feedback Ted. (is your RapidXen VPS in Chicago?)

I myself already have one of these ultra-cheap-low-end VPS with VPSLink (Xen 64MB -- Link1 plan) being so far my one and only gripe the fact their ping is way to high for my European location (above 200ms on average). It&#039;s still awesome value for the price tag I have paid, given that I decided to go crazy and prepay 24months during their 50% off anniversary offer. [Don&#039;t do this at home kids! -- Although this is Spry we are talking about ;)]

Rock stable and only with one short network shortage that I can remember during this 2 months.

Now I need another VPS for my personal hosting needs, but this time I will only pay on a per month basis (like everyone should). I was really looking after the USD$6 plan from VPSVillage, but they don&#039;t accept PayPal, and I vividly don&#039;t recommend anyone using their real hard credit card data for purchasing this kind of services, regardless of reputation (issues are harder to solve when the other side can still charge you regardless of the service provided or what you may say..)

That&#039;s why I am looking towards RapidXen, that seems to be a pretty decent alternative and their ping to my European location isn&#039;t that bad considering they are stationed in the US (average slightly above 150ms).

Hope my comments aren&#039;t getting tiresome to read, but I am really looking for all the information I can gather for my next personal VPS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your feedback Ted. (is your RapidXen VPS in Chicago?)</p>
<p>I myself already have one of these ultra-cheap-low-end VPS with VPSLink (Xen 64MB &#8212; Link1 plan) being so far my one and only gripe the fact their ping is way to high for my European location (above 200ms on average). It&#8217;s still awesome value for the price tag I have paid, given that I decided to go crazy and prepay 24months during their 50% off anniversary offer. [Don't do this at home kids! -- Although this is Spry we are talking about ;)]</p>
<p>Rock stable and only with one short network shortage that I can remember during this 2 months.</p>
<p>Now I need another VPS for my personal hosting needs, but this time I will only pay on a per month basis (like everyone should). I was really looking after the USD$6 plan from VPSVillage, but they don&#8217;t accept PayPal, and I vividly don&#8217;t recommend anyone using their real hard credit card data for purchasing this kind of services, regardless of reputation (issues are harder to solve when the other side can still charge you regardless of the service provided or what you may say..)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I am looking towards RapidXen, that seems to be a pretty decent alternative and their ping to my European location isn&#8217;t that bad considering they are stationed in the US (average slightly above 150ms).</p>
<p>Hope my comments aren&#8217;t getting tiresome to read, but I am really looking for all the information I can gather for my next personal VPS.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/you-get-what-you-paid-for-sometimes/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At 5$ I have 2 64MB vpses with both
rapidxen.net &amp; prgmr.com (both XEN providers)
and they are fantastic.

So I would suggest you keep listing 5$ hosts :)
but dont list them till they have been around for awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At 5$ I have 2 64MB vpses with both<br />
rapidxen.net &amp; prgmr.com (both XEN providers)<br />
and they are fantastic.</p>
<p>So I would suggest you keep listing 5$ hosts :)<br />
but dont list them till they have been around for awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: LowEndAdmin</title>
		<link>http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/you-get-what-you-paid-for-sometimes/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>LowEndAdmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dude -- rather than strange memory allocation on Xen, I think it is more of strange memory *accounting* on OpenVZ. On VZ your cached + buffer is not counted towards your memory usage, however all your malloc() gets counted towards your privvmpages straight away even before the memory is committed. If you are used to dedicated servers or VMWare, OpenVZ/Virtuozzo just feels awkward.

VSZ is not as important as a lot of programs allocate more than they use.

@Webmister -- I did have some drama with RapidXen at the beginning (due to my own fault in the first place) so the uptime wasn&#039;t that great. 64bit is also making no sense for 64MB VPS I found.

Performance wise it is not bad. I got one core of Opteron 2216 (2.4GHz) which is more than sufficient.

Do note that it has no control panel but they do provide you tty access via Xen to fix FUBAR&#039;ed VPS (neither do Datarealm).

I fully understand your concern about Datarealm&#039;s bandwidth cap. I don&#039;t really notice it unless I am doing upgrades which requires me downloading lots of packages. I am using this box as a low end web server + secondary MX so uptime is more important to me than the bandwidth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dude &#8212; rather than strange memory allocation on Xen, I think it is more of strange memory *accounting* on OpenVZ. On VZ your cached + buffer is not counted towards your memory usage, however all your malloc() gets counted towards your privvmpages straight away even before the memory is committed. If you are used to dedicated servers or VMWare, OpenVZ/Virtuozzo just feels awkward.</p>
<p>VSZ is not as important as a lot of programs allocate more than they use.</p>
<p>@Webmister &#8212; I did have some drama with RapidXen at the beginning (due to my own fault in the first place) so the uptime wasn&#8217;t that great. 64bit is also making no sense for 64MB VPS I found.</p>
<p>Performance wise it is not bad. I got one core of Opteron 2216 (2.4GHz) which is more than sufficient.</p>
<p>Do note that it has no control panel but they do provide you tty access via Xen to fix FUBAR&#8217;ed VPS (neither do Datarealm).</p>
<p>I fully understand your concern about Datarealm&#8217;s bandwidth cap. I don&#8217;t really notice it unless I am doing upgrades which requires me downloading lots of packages. I am using this box as a low end web server + secondary MX so uptime is more important to me than the bandwidth.</p>
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		<title>By: Webmister</title>
		<link>http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/you-get-what-you-paid-for-sometimes/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>Webmister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any chance commenting on RapidXen uptime and/or experience (although I am not looking for the 64bit version)?

The reason I won&#039;t choose Daterealm is their 1Mbps bandwidth cap. Don&#039;t get me wrong, but for that kind of bandwidth I would rather setup my own box with my DSL connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any chance commenting on RapidXen uptime and/or experience (although I am not looking for the 64bit version)?</p>
<p>The reason I won&#8217;t choose Daterealm is their 1Mbps bandwidth cap. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, but for that kind of bandwidth I would rather setup my own box with my DSL connection.</p>
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		<title>By: Dude</title>
		<link>http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/you-get-what-you-paid-for-sometimes/#comment-263</link>
		<dc:creator>Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to watch for with Xen hosts is the strange memory allocation. For instance, with my previous OpenVZ host a stack of dropbear+nginx+php-cgi+tinydns was around 40MB. With my current Xen provider, I only have 6MB left free from 64MB, and 20MB free in cache. Also, VSZ numbers on XEN seem to be 2.5 times bigger than on OpenVZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to watch for with Xen hosts is the strange memory allocation. For instance, with my previous OpenVZ host a stack of dropbear+nginx+php-cgi+tinydns was around 40MB. With my current Xen provider, I only have 6MB left free from 64MB, and 20MB free in cache. Also, VSZ numbers on XEN seem to be 2.5 times bigger than on OpenVZ.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
		<link>http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/you-get-what-you-paid-for-sometimes/#comment-262</link>
		<dc:creator>wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think although the result can not be believed in entirely, it can show the performance from some aspect. So I always do the test when I get a new box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think although the result can not be believed in entirely, it can show the performance from some aspect. So I always do the test when I get a new box.</p>
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		<title>By: Webmister</title>
		<link>http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/you-get-what-you-paid-for-sometimes/#comment-256</link>
		<dc:creator>Webmister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been keeping my eye on RapidXen and was hoping to subscribe their service at the end of this week or next week.

The owner in fact appears to be both a nice guy and trustworthy, plus his non-VPS hosting company appears to be around for some years now being the only complaints so far regarding his spam filter, that seems to filter way too much.

I myself never got a reply to my last email about the promotional offer (keyworks like &quot;promotional&quot; + nazi spam filter = @#$%), which is kind of frustrating since I feel my primary mean of communication has been compromised.. and sending more mails about the subject can only make things worst from a spam filter perspective.

Hopefully everything will be sorted out via his IRC channel, when I am not in a hurry and pressed by all the work..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been keeping my eye on RapidXen and was hoping to subscribe their service at the end of this week or next week.</p>
<p>The owner in fact appears to be both a nice guy and trustworthy, plus his non-VPS hosting company appears to be around for some years now being the only complaints so far regarding his spam filter, that seems to filter way too much.</p>
<p>I myself never got a reply to my last email about the promotional offer (keyworks like &#8220;promotional&#8221; + nazi spam filter = @#$%), which is kind of frustrating since I feel my primary mean of communication has been compromised.. and sending more mails about the subject can only make things worst from a spam filter perspective.</p>
<p>Hopefully everything will be sorted out via his IRC channel, when I am not in a hurry and pressed by all the work..</p>
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		<title>By: LowEndAdmin</title>
		<link>http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/you-get-what-you-paid-for-sometimes/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>LowEndAdmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wayne -- here you go.

&lt;pre class=&quot;code&quot;&gt;
TEST                                        BASELINE     RESULT      INDEX

Dhrystone 2 using register variables        376783.7  3781666.5      100.4
Double-Precision Whetstone                      83.1      999.5      120.3
Execl Throughput                               188.3     1329.0       70.6
File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks         2672.0    69469.0      260.0
File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks           1077.0    23706.0      220.1
File Read 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks        15382.0   439690.0      285.8
Pipe Throughput                             111814.6   399851.4       35.8
Pipe-based Context Switching                 15448.6    63579.4       41.2
Process Creation                               569.3     2873.7       50.5
Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                    44.8      254.4       56.8
System Call Overhead                        114433.5   592676.7       51.8
                                                                 =========
     FINAL SCORE                                                      89.8
&lt;/pre&gt;

Personally I don&#039;t believe in the unixbench as they say little about real world performance.

As of Datarealm -- it runs fine but not without downtime. You get 1mbps unmetered which is good as a hacked site won&#039;t be able to start a DoS on it, but downloading software packages will take longer time. The biggest itch would be their kernel, which is RHE 4 based, i.e. 2.6.9.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wayne &#8212; here you go.</p>
<pre class="code">
TEST                                        BASELINE     RESULT      INDEX

Dhrystone 2 using register variables        376783.7  3781666.5      100.4
Double-Precision Whetstone                      83.1      999.5      120.3
Execl Throughput                               188.3     1329.0       70.6
File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks         2672.0    69469.0      260.0
File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks           1077.0    23706.0      220.1
File Read 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks        15382.0   439690.0      285.8
Pipe Throughput                             111814.6   399851.4       35.8
Pipe-based Context Switching                 15448.6    63579.4       41.2
Process Creation                               569.3     2873.7       50.5
Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                    44.8      254.4       56.8
System Call Overhead                        114433.5   592676.7       51.8
                                                                 =========
     FINAL SCORE                                                      89.8
</pre>
<p>Personally I don&#8217;t believe in the unixbench as they say little about real world performance.</p>
<p>As of Datarealm &#8212; it runs fine but not without downtime. You get 1mbps unmetered which is good as a hacked site won&#8217;t be able to start a DoS on it, but downloading software packages will take longer time. The biggest itch would be their kernel, which is RHE 4 based, i.e. 2.6.9.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
		<link>http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/you-get-what-you-paid-for-sometimes/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you ever run a Unixbench test on a Datagrealm box? I&#039;m a little interested on it :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you ever run a Unixbench test on a Datagrealm box? I&#8217;m a little interested on it :D</p>
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